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#1 Flyingdevildog

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 11:25 PM

With this Law now in place, how are people able to get info. to send anything to an overseas lady?

just asking, not sure that everyone of the internet marriage brokers are following the law, but some are.

It feels like a scam to me (IMBRA) that you can't call are e-mail outside of the web site that you meet the ladies on.

and there is a cost for the men that do want to talk or e-mail.

whats everyones thought on this?

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:57 AM

With this Law now in place, how are people able to get info. to send anything to an overseas lady?

just asking, not sure that everyone of the internet marriage brokers are following the law, but some are.

It feels like a scam to me (IMBRA) that you can't call are e-mail outside of the web site that you meet the ladies on.

and there is a cost for the men that do want to talk or e-mail.

whats everyones thought on this?

Dawg

Just did some quick checking on law firm sites and a Meet Russian Ladies IMB that arranges in person meetings. The Russian site explicitly states that once the tour they arrange is complete, the American is free to communicate with the Russian member by mail as the dating site will have provided the Russian with all required information prior to the tour.

The dating site is required to make sure that the foreign member is given all the information about the American member before personal contact information is handed out. Once the foreign member has the info packet on the American, there is no longer a restriction on direct communication through the site or by side channels such as telephone, email, IM & postal mail.

The restriction on contact information is meant to prevent Americans from using the IMB to gather contact information for foreigners who have not been provided with the information required by IMBRA. It is not meant to prevent interested partners from getting to know each other better.

As far as cost goes. If the sites you have looked at cost too much, then do some more searching. There are many small sites that are entirely advertising supported and do not charge their members. Be careful though with the smaller sites as they may not be as careful about IMBRA, especially if they are not based in US or claim to serve only US residents. Make sure that anyone you meet on a dating site, that you are serious about, has the basic info required by IMBRA before you file for a visa.

Be aware also that individual states may extend IMBRA requirements beyond the basics. Texas & Hawaii came up in the search with extended requirements.

If you meet someone online or offline in a different social context and a relationship forms, IMBRA does not apply. The International Marriage Broker Act applies only to contacts made via an International Marriage Broker :)

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:06 PM

WEll the question is ... CherryBlossoms and IMB?

If so I guess I am a criminal... Hrrm... Wonder how to correct it now.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:35 AM

WEll the question is ... CherryBlossoms and IMB?

If so I guess I am a criminal... Hrrm... Wonder how to correct it now.

Bill

The consul may ask her if you met through a dating site. If she says yes, then he asks if she got the required info. If the answer is yes again then no problem. If the answer is no, then the next step depends on the consular officer and the procedures the Embassy has in place to handle such cases.

If CB did not send her the required information, then you can mitigate the problem by assembling the packet yourself and giving it to her.

This headache applies only to K-1/K-2 fiance(e) visas. If it results in an outright denial, then marriage and an I-130 cures the problem :)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:10 AM

This headache applies only to K-1/K-2 fiance(e) visas. If it results in an outright denial, then marriage and an I-130 cures the problem :)

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So if we are planning to marry in the Philippines it is no problem?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 12:53 PM

WEll the question is ... CherryBlossoms and IMB?

If so I guess I am a criminal... Hrrm... Wonder how to correct it now.

Bill


Any site that is in the primary business of hooking up Americans (and others) and non-Americans, and charges different fees to members based on gender or nationality is an International Marriage Broker under IMBRA.

That means that if Cherry Blossoms still charges the guys and not the girls it is an IMB under IMBRA.

However, it doesn't matter at all. IMBRA is a poorly-written (IMO) law with little real consequences. Most IMB websites are not in the U.S., and not under U.S. jurisdiction. Using an IMB has ZERO effect on the visa process other then answering yes/no to the question on the petition. An answer you can flip a coin on because it doesn't matter what the answer is, the question only exists for data gathering purposes. The State Department and USCIS is aware the most people don't understand the definition of an IMB anyways.

The only real effect IMBRA has on the process is for multiple petitions within a certain period. If this is your first petition it matters not to you (the general you in this case, including the original poster).

W. Thomas, it has no application to CR-1/IR-1 visas.

Complete text of IMBRA: http://thomas.loc.go...08:H.R.2949.IH:

GAO Study: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-08-862

Edit: Final IMBRA Pamphlet: http://www.uscis.gov...Web Posting.pdf

Edited by MrkGrismer, 11 June 2012 - 01:04 PM.

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